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| lidia_law wrote: | | Sorry, I do not choose to admire people like that whatever they did in the past... because respect and admireation are something that you earn by doing something but something that you live, whether on the carpet, on the street, or in the privacy of your home.... I can't belive telling kids, well do this but not that, like Ira... this will only confuse them and in this complicated world, the last thing I would like to do is confuse them.... |
You'll never find somone who made only good things in her/his life.
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| *rotkwicca* wrote: | | Mourmaline wrote: | | *rotkwicca* wrote: | No she isn't. I'm just giving an example 
Do you like it? |
Oh yes, I love it! I've seen other pics like that in DA...simply beautiful  |
I'm glad you do In my opinion, Ira should have done something like that instead of this. |
Well...you never know...
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Mourmaline
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| Posted: Wed, 20-Dec-2006 0:25 Post subject: |
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| RGSuperfan wrote: | | lidia_law wrote: | | Sorry, I do not choose to admire people like that whatever they did in the past... because respect and admireation are something that you earn by doing something but something that you live, whether on the carpet, on the street, or in the privacy of your home.... I can't belive telling kids, well do this but not that, like Ira... this will only confuse them and in this complicated world, the last thing I would like to do is confuse them.... |
You'll never find somone who made only good things in her/his life. |
I agree...children should understand that each individual has to make his or her choices. Just because the person you look up to does something cool, un-cool, whatever, doesn't mean that you, as their fan, have to do them too.
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lidia_law
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I would understand "making a mistake" or not being careful ans someone snapping a picture of you while you are scantily dresss, but agreeing to make a photoshoot that qualifies as a soft porn and then being in a NET... come on, how degrading is this...
If I knew Ira, I would ask her just one question: You keep saying how proud your grandpa would have been to see your sucess as a gymnast. Would you give this magazine to your grandpa if he were alive today?
I wonder what her response is, and how much fame, money attention is mor eimportant than that...
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Belosnegka
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| Posted: Wed, 20-Dec-2006 8:49 Post subject: |
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| lidia_law wrote: | I would understand "making a mistake" or not being careful ans someone snapping a picture of you while you are scantily dresss, but agreeing to make a photoshoot that qualifies as a soft porn and then being in a NET... come on, how degrading is this...
If I knew Ira, I would ask her just one question: You keep saying how proud your grandpa would have been to see your sucess as a gymnast. Would you give this magazine to your grandpa if he were alive today?
I wonder what her response is, and how much fame, money attention is mor eimportant than that... |
My God, yes cease to speak nonsenses. Ask, the great-grandfather and the great-grandmother would be happy? Probably is not present, but it is assured, that they are glad, that their daughter and the grand daughter has achieved all in the life hard work and journalists rise in turn to take from it interview.
I agree with Yeroveeva fan
Kindergarten here have arranged.Let's leave Ira already in rest! 
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lidia_law
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| Posted: Wed, 20-Dec-2006 9:05 Post subject: |
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I was not talking about her gymnastics career but about the magazine. Would her grandfather be "proud" of THESE pictures? Why is this a bad speculation....
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You said you dislike her cause this photo, so all the talking about children on the NET isn't related to your actual opinion on her, I suppose.. when someone does photos for a magazine can't think about EVERY place that photos will be shared in..
Blaming the woman in the photos cause a girl wants to do the same because isn't mature enough or because her parents aren't able to do their duty isn't correct. Under this point EVERYONE (not only ira) who did sexi-porno photos hasn't fault. You can blame them for their inner moral choice if you want.
And however a SINGLE ,since now, fault step for me isn't enough to change completely opinion on her as person.
If you want someone that never does something against moral costumes, take nuns..
I can understand your disconcern.. I have seen the photos inside, and they are TERRIBLE.. i really dislike this Photo service..cause she hasn't all her beauty ( real beauty) anymore, but she did other beautifuk photos and a second chance is a right of everyone.
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Why is everyone so shocked Ira does this? Look at history:
Zaripova posed nude for playboy
Batyrchina did semi-erotic photos with Bianka Panova
Little eight year olds perform in Russian galas wearing next to nothing (not even fake flesh)
And we won't get into all the stuff about bulimia, anorexia, Viner's control of the judges, the recent end of Ruslan Goncharov's 10 year marriage, etc. etc. If you are looking for good, upstanding, wholesome, family friendly role models, this isn't the sport to look at.
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Lyudmila
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| Posted: Wed, 20-Dec-2006 14:08 Post subject: |
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| Findis wrote: | Why is everyone so shocked Ira does this? Look at history:
Zaripova posed nude for playboy
Batyrchina did semi-erotic photos with Bianka Panova
Little eight year olds perform in Russian galas wearing next to nothing (not even fake flesh)
And we won't get into all the stuff about bulimia, anorexia, Viner's control of the judges, the recent end of Ruslan Goncharov's 10 year marriage, etc. etc. If you are looking for good, upstanding, wholesome, family friendly role models, this isn't the sport to look at. |
Yes, but may be the list of beautiful and family friendly gymnasts not posed for erotic journals ( like Maria Petrova) is longer ?
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| Findis wrote: |
Little eight year olds perform in Russian galas wearing next to nothing (not even fake flesh)
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I find this deal with the young Russian girls far more scandalous and disturbing...  Just how tasteless it is to teach those girls to perform "the strut your stuff" type of dances, in costumes that would hardly qualify for a swimsuit... They don't need no Tchachina to influence them, just that person who was actually in charge in making and allowing such gala programme...
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You know... we changed the topic... if you want to talk about other things such as the girls who hardly wear anything... I can't say anything about that because every time I see a gala of the Russian gymnasts I am amazed that it is just gorgeous....
IN my humble opinion, the kind of "all-forgiving" love you described is one a mother giver her child, a husband gives her husband... but not necessarily that a coach giver her competitor,,, and heavens forbid the public give public figures. Public figures (like Ira) are carriers of the majoritarian values of society, and they are paid sufficently for that in admiration, money, prestige... and as the Bible says: where much is given, much is expected."
Someone made a single mistake. Sure people can make mistakes, sure people can gracefully recover from them, but the base of a just society is that one has to suffer the consequences for her mistake... I can certainly tell you is that if Ira was a US gymnast and appeared nude... good bye big company sponsorship money, good bye intervews, good bye... loyts of things... This is probably why you do not see US gymnasts nude that too often (althout there is going to be someone who would probably prove me wrong, but again, the emphasis is on NOT TOO OFTEN)... because, gladly, gymnastics in the US is still a FAMILY FRIENDLY wholesome sport, where the coaches are strictly supervised about making comments about weight (I know there are exceptions)...
I am a free agent and as such I can insist on supprting wholesome people like Maria Petrova, like Dianan Popova, and like most of our Bulgarian stars who later become great wives, professionals, and role models... and who in spite of financial difficulties (no, not all of them retire rich  , not even close to the kind of vehicles and outfits that Tchatchina parades) did not make such mistakes...
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Someone made a single mistake. Sure people can make mistakes, sure people can gracefully recover from them, but the base of a just society is that one has to suffer the consequences for her mistake... I can certainly tell you is that if Ira was a US gymnast and appeared nude... good bye big company sponsorship money, good bye intervews, good bye... loyts of things... This is probably why you do not see US gymnasts nude that too often (althout there is going to be someone who would probably prove me wrong, but again, the emphasis is on NOT TOO OFTEN)... because, gladly, gymnastics in the US is still a FAMILY FRIENDLY wholesome sport, where the coaches are strictly supervised about making comments about weight (I know there are exceptions)...
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You're kidding, right? Posing nude or semi nude in men's magazines has not hurt Katarina Witt, Kournikova, Sharapova, Hingis, Danica Patrick and others in terms of endorsement deals or publicity. Katarina Witt still managed to keep a lucrative contract with Stars On Ice and does commentary for the Disney owned ABC network. Actually, hardly anyone batted an eye when Katarina posed nude in Playboy of all things.
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Belosnegka
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lidia_law
IMHO, you reject similar photos in general, instead of Irina's, in particular.
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It all depends on the term of the contract, and if the company can easily get out of it, or the star for that matter... both have entertainment lawyers who are paid lots to deal with situational like that... No, I am not kidding and I know what I am talking about... believe it or not, in the US these things matter... I am not saying that things are perfect but mothers who care what goes on TV and who shows it have become an influence tot he point where "no one blinks what goes on"...
Let me mention to you that the stars you mentioned are NOT US Citizens!!!! Please point an American star who does that....
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| lidia_law wrote: | You know... we changed the topic... if you want to talk about other things such as the girls who hardly wear anything... I can't say anything about that because every time I see a gala of the Russian gymnasts I am amazed that it is just gorgeous....
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I don't think we're too off the topic here... It is really hypocrite to judge and condemn Ira's behavior regarding of influence to younger generations, when younger generations are already "officially" taught certain value system by preparing such a gala performance. I'm really sorry that you didn't have the opportunity to see the disgraceful, tasteless, unimaginative gala of the little russian girls dancing to various songs with really questionable lyrics, NOT doing RG, but "shake your booty" style dances, in front of ridiculously dressed ever jumping Viner's grandson.
I think the far more dangerous influence to younger generation is the hidden tastless kitsch content... If i had one, I'd rather see my daughter one day pose nude when she is of age and feels like it then to sing semi-intellectual to fully-retarded lyrics to something you can barely call music that you can see today (so called R&B and MTV music, except few honourable exceptions), making the thousands of girls numb and uninterested in real values in life. I think that production of Bratz dolls will have more harm on psychology of any young girl than any Tchachina, Kournikova, Sharapova, Kabaeva or Witt semi-nude in a magazine, which the kids will hardly get their hands on anyway... Just a few examples, but in terms of influences, i think we have WAY worse things to think about...
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