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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 22:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've still yet to come home, but looking over the Maksymenko's sheet.. there are some mistakes.

Here you cannot use the same exact base and criteria, even if it is Fundamental. If you are going to repeat Fundamental, it needs to be 2 different criteria than a previous Mastery.


Since you have this written as well, it might be better to just write as Fundamental: Roll Over Min 2. Segments [on floor + body rotation].

It doesn't make sense to write more than the 2 most obvious criteria, or the ones that will allow you to claim it as a different Mastery than those similar.. just my opinion for the 2nd and 3rd photos. From the text it only asks for "minimum 2 criteria" which does not bar 3 or 4 etc. In this case, I guess you can argue that it is a "different combination" due to the additional criteria. The examples I usually see write only 2 criteria, but the way the text reads suggests that the way you have it originally is okay.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 23:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you sooo much for your hard work!
I wouldn't count Maksymenko's fouettes, She walked the half of the carpet on both of them + many execution errors. And considering your opinions, I would definitely give the ball final to Filiou instead of Maksy and may be to Lala instead of Neta.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Jun-2013 0:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maksymenko Ball EC
Start value based on team ball + final. Analysis based on team.

Mastery - Fundamental: Roll of Ball on Floor [sight + hands] (.20)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [on floor + 2 large rolls] (.20)
Mastery - Other: Throw [sight + hands] (.20)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Back scale balance flat + WO (.50)
9 Fouettes + wave (1.00 - give .30) Would give first 3, hops interrupt so also no wave
Risk - under leg, 2 rotations, level, rethrow (.50)
Timochenko (.50)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [sight + body rotation] (.20 - no credit)
720 Front split pivot (.60 - give .30) Guessing 720 on sheet, but only does 360
Turning split (.50)
Turning split (.50)
Back scale pivot + wave (.60)
Mastery - Other: Small Throw and Catch [hands + body rotation] (.20)
720 Penchee flat + wave (.80 - give .60) Give only 1 rotation + wave
Risk - 3 rotations, level, axis (.50)
Not sure what these next 2 masteries are supposed to be..
Mastery - Fundamental: Catch with One Hand [body rotation + ??] (.20) It's not a high bounce.. is it the catch maybe?
Mastery - Other: Unstable / Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [body rotation] (.20)
7 Fouettes (.70 - would not give)
Risk - 3 rotations, level, axis, hands (.60)

SV: 9.2 / Give: 7.1 ... maybe too harsh on fouettes Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Jun-2013 8:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It doesn't make sense to write more than the 2 most obvious criteria, or the ones that will allow you to claim it as a different Mastery than those similar.. just my opinion for the 2nd and 3rd photos. From the text it only asks for "minimum 2 criteria" which does not bar 3 or 4 etc. In this case, I guess you can argue that it is a "different combination" due to the additional criteria. The examples I usually see write only 2 criteria, but the way the text reads suggests that the way you have it originally is okay.


Would you share with us the examples that you usually see? It would be useful to see some "official" technical sheet, and to comparise it with the respective video!
Thank you in advance!
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Jun-2013 8:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

venn wrote:
Thank you sooo much for your hard work!
I wouldn't count Maksymenko's fouettes, She walked the half of the carpet on both of them + many execution errors. And considering your opinions, I would definitely give the ball final to Filiou instead of Maksy and may be to Lala instead of Neta.


I do analyzes with pleasure, and you are right, Lala should have to partecipate to the finals!!!
That pivot with high leg back!!! Wonderful! Like the entire routine.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Jun-2013 17:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

I simply LOVE your analysis guys. I learn a lot about the Cop from them and I am aware of the hard work behind each one of them. So, thank you very much! Love Love

Feel free to keep on posting some more Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Jun-2013 18:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

nagyangela, apologies! I meant examples from other analyses people have done, I see most only writing base (2 criteria) or 2 bases (1 criteria) and I have been doing the same as well. But now you make me second guess it because I re-read the COP and there isn't an explicit restriction other than not to repeat an Other base and to have different combinations.
I asked on the COP thread and hopefully someone with official information can answer. I should mention I'm only doing for fun and also still learning, so might be mistakes!

My concern about writing more than 2 different and obvious criteria is that if the gymnast fails one of the 3-4 criteria, it will void the Mastery even if she does perform minimum 2?

I think 4erquelle also did some sample sheets on the "writing sheets" thread, but they are for an imaginary gymnast. Razz Maybe someone else out there can help us out.

Agree about Lala. Love

Edit: I just saw on pg.25 from Tahnee that you only write two. Just to be safe, I will stick with it as I'm not sure about the other.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Jun-2013 23:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attempt at Mateva ball EC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAP2dPPb_Lg

Penchee balance + Back scale balance + .10 connection (1.10)
Maybe something here? I will leave it, as I can't find something to apply for Mastery.
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [sight + hands] (.20)
1080 Attitude (.90)
Risk - 3 rotations, level, axis, hands (.60)
720 Penchee flat (.70) A little iffy on 2nd, but give
Mastery - Other: Unstable [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Might be roll mastery instead of above, but I don't think the ball rolls over 2 segments.
Turning split w/ ring (.60)
Risk - 3 rotations, sight, hands (.50) Level can only be claimed during/inbetween rotations and not from simple throw then roll, right?
Back scale balance (.50)
Split leap w/ bend (.40)
Mastery - Fundamental: High Bounce [hands + sight?] (.20)
Turning split w/ bend (.70)
Mastery - Other: Catch [catch in roll + hands] (.20)
1080 Arabesque (.90 - give .60)
Risk - 2 rotations, hands (.30)

I must be missing a few things because I highly doubt Mateva only has a 8.3 SV. Confused Anyway, I ended up with 8.0 credited.. I think she did well!

nagyangela, or anyone else, would be nice to have comparison if you have some extra time. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 10:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mateva Ball EC 2013 AA
My hypothetic start value for her:


Some particular without perfection:
At the beginning she spends about 13 seconds on the floor, I suppose it should be a "dance sequence", but...


She does 3 turns in attitude, but before the third, I'm not sure, but I saw a little hop. (or it was my computer that didn't work well). Anyway I think she would be able to do 4 turns.


Before the third voltage she waits, so for me in this risk there are 2 turns


She is a very nice gymnast, too!
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 18:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

With what I'm reading on COP thread, I misunderstood the different restriction for Fundamental bases! It seems I have been missing out on some for higher SV on the ones I've done Confused

I agree with what you have written for Mateva's 10 SV. It's very strange that she got a low score, since I find only fault in her attitude, maybe Penchee flat, and the risk as you mentioned... also not sure if beginning - just like Halkina's - can be given Rhythmic steps? But this still gives her higher than 8.0 credited.

I will try Neta's with this better understanding! Thanks nagyangela. Kiss Cheek
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 18:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm curious what score you'll give to Rivkin, because I tried to analyze her routine, but I hardly credited her 8,00, however she got 8,70. Now I'll return to her routine.
And what's about Durunda? Her ball routine generated some question to me!
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 19:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

nagyangela wrote:
I'm curious what score you'll give to Rivkin, because I tried to analyze her routine, but I hardly credited her 8,00, however she got 8,70. Now I'll return to her routine.
And what's about Durunda? Her ball routine generated some question to me!


Haha that is very funny.. I'm looking at Rivkin now and I have a little over 8.0 TOTAL with only 6.7 credited for what I'm seeing on first watch! I'm rewatching to find where the 8.70 might be from since there are many I don't see as Mastery. I'll do Durunda also Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rivkin Ball:

Mastery - Fundamental: Roll On Floor [hands + sight] (.20)
Penchee flat + Penchee + connection + wave ? (1.10 - give .40, not fixed on 2nd shape)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Fundamental: Bounce [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Mastery - Other: Catch [catch in roll + sight] (.20) Not sure how this is written
720 Penchee flat (.70)
Risk - 3 rotations, axis, level (.50)
Mastery - Other: Roll of Body Over Ball [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Mastery - Other: Throw [hands + rotation] (.20)
360 Front split pivot w/ help (.20)
Turning stag w/ bend (.50)
Turning split (.50)
Risk - 4 rotations, level (.50 - give .40 for catch w/ 2 hands)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [on floor + hands] (.20)
Throw might be a Mastery, but I only see sight criieria.
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [hands + sight] (.20)
Back scale balance (.50)
Mastery - Fundamental: Bounce [hands + sight] (.20)
Turning split w/ bend (.70)
Risk - 2 rotations, axis, level, hands (.50)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll On Floor [hands + sight] (.20)
720 Attitude pivot (.60) I'll be nice and give 2nd rotation
Mastery - Other: Unstable [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Mastery - Fundamental: Bounce [hands + body rotation] (.20)

SV: 8.6 / Give: 7.8

In bright red are the Masteries I don't think should be given as they are not very interesting to me.. but my initial SV was low, so I gave benefit of doubt.
I don't know how she got 8.7 Confused
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 20:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
Rivkin Ball:

Mastery - Fundamental: Roll On Floor [hands + sight] (.20)
Penchee flat + Penchee + connection + wave ? (1.10 - give .40, not fixed on 2nd shape)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Fundamental: Bounce [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Mastery - Other: Catch [catch in roll + sight] (.20) Not sure how this is written
720 Penchee flat (.70)
Risk - 3 rotations, axis, level (.50)
Mastery - Other: Roll of Body Over Ball [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Mastery - Other: Throw [hands + rotation] (.20)
360 Front split pivot w/ help (.20)
Turning stag w/ bend (.50)
Turning split (.50)
Risk - 4 rotations, level (.50 - give .40 for catch w/ 2 hands)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [on floor + hands] (.20)
Throw might be a Mastery, but I only see sight criieria.
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [hands + sight] (.20)
Back scale balance (.50)
Mastery - Fundamental: Bounce [hands + sight] (.20)
Turning split w/ bend (.70)
Risk - 2 rotations, axis, level, hands (.50)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll On Floor [hands + sight] (.20)
720 Attitude pivot (.60) I'll be nice and give 2nd rotation
Mastery - Other: Unstable [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Mastery - Fundamental: Bounce [hands + body rotation] (.20)

SV: 8.6 / Give: 7.8

In bright red are the Masteries I don't think should be given as they are not very interesting to me.. but my initial SV was low, so I gave benefit of doubt.
I don't know how she got 8.7 Confused


It's a mistery (not a mastery Razz ) . Anyway I post the technical sheet that I made watching her AA routine:


My notices:
Balances on flat foot or in relevé with the same shape are the same.
Loss of balance, not fixed, for me no credit:


Too little throw:


Incomplete roll, bounce:


Perhaps it's my fault, but for me it's: 7,00
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Jun-2013 20:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is a mystery, indeed! What do you think of roll of body over ball? I'm second guessing it because criteria of hands, sight, and rotation are assumed.

I see a lot of things that could be written at the beginning of Durunda's ball Shocked
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