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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 12:19    Post subject: Analyse request Reply with quote

I am intressted in seeing the D1/D2 and E analyses from the fallowing exercices from Thais:

Alina Maksymenko hoop AA and EF
Kanaeva ball AA
Rabtsava rope EF
Rizatinova ribbon AA
Weber hoop EF

I'd highly appreciate if someone could take the time to do it for me!
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 13:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's one D1 analysis for now..

Maksimenko Hoop AA
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (just enough rotation, although harsher judges may not have paid this)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6 (no credit: first rotation incomplete)
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap or turning stag with arch leap: ? (either way, no credit: shape not clear)

Total: 7.1
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 13:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Here's one D1 analysis for now..

Maksimenko Hoop AA
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (just enough rotation, although harsher judges may not have paid this)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6 (no credit: first rotation incomplete)
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.3
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap or turning stag with arch leap: ? (either way, no credit: shape not clear)

Total: 7.0


Element 6 is 0.4? Very Happy And I thought Maksymenko was going for 6 rotations in the Fouette? 1.3? Maybe IH can tell us... And 12 is with arch.
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 14:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm starting with Weber hoop's D1 analysis Smile

1-Pivot 8.F with 2 rotations: 1.2
2-Cossack jump, didn't show the position (lower leg): 0.0
3-Penché balance, Not fixed position: 0.0
4-Jeté jump: 0.5
5-Rising wave: 0.4
6-Balance, she took support in her hoop: 0.0
7-Cossack jump: 0.6
8-Pivot with change of shapes: 0.3 + 0.1 + (3x0.1) = 0.6
9-Cossack pivot: 0.6
10- Flexibility passing by attitude: 0.5
11-Pivot: 0.3+0.1+0.4 = 0.8
12-Cossack jump + pivot. The pivot was uncomplete: 0.0

total: 5.2

What do you think?

I will make D1 when I have time Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 14:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much guys!
If you'd like to hear my opinion I can't tell you because I'm not an RG judge! I am learning by your comments...
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 15:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnaBessonovaNumber1Fan wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
Here's one D1 analysis for now..

Maksimenko Hoop AA
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (just enough rotation, although harsher judges may not have paid this)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6 (no credit: first rotation incomplete)
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.3
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap or turning stag with arch leap: ? (either way, no credit: shape not clear)

Total: 7.0


Element 6 is 0.4? Very Happy And I thought Maksymenko was going for 6 rotations in the Fouette? 1.3? Maybe IH can tell us... And 12 is with arch.


Somehow my COP is missing the line with front balance pivots values, so I had a guess there Razz
I only judged what I saw in the fouette, not what she was going for - and she only got 5 rotations.
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 15:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maksimenko Hoop Final
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (no credit: apparatus dropped)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.5
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7 (this time it actually looked like a turning stag with ring, but perhaps it was just the angle)

Total: 8.2
Official score: 7.85
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 15:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eulucil wrote:
Well, I'm starting with Weber hoop's D1 analysis Smile

1-Pivot 8.F with 2 rotations: 1.2
2-Cossack jump, didn't show the position (lower leg): 0.0
3-Penché balance, Not fixed position: 0.0
4-Jeté jump: 0.5
5-Rising wave: 0.4
6-Balance, she took support in her hoop: 0.0
7-Cossack jump: 0.6
8-Pivot with change of shapes: 0.3 + 0.1 + (3x0.1) = 0.6
9-Cossack pivot: 0.6
10- Flexibility passing by attitude: 0.5
11-Pivot: 0.3+0.1+0.4 = 0.8
12-Cossack jump + pivot. The pivot was uncomplete: 0.0

total: 5.2

What do you think?

I will make D1 when I have time Very Happy



1. Agree, 1.2
2. Agree, no credit
3. Agree no credit, but also chest not high enough.
4. Agree, 0.5
5. Reverse wave is 0.5
6. I don't think she was using the hoop as support, therefore I give her the 0.8
7, Agree, 0.6
8. First shape did not show full 360, therefore no credit.
9. Agree, 0.6
10. I think she is aiming for a ring position in the final kick, but is nowhere near maximum amplitude, therefore 0.0
11. Just completes enough rotation in attitude, so 0.8
12. Agree, no credit

Total: 5.0
Official score: 8.2

Maybe we are too harsh? Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 15:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rabtsava Rope Final
1. Unheld ring pivot: 0.0 (heel drop)
2. Fouette balance: 1.2
3. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
4. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.8
5. Horizontal to penchee pivot: 0.0 (sliding)
6. Stag with arch jump: 0.5
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7
9. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7
10. Unheld back split balance(?): 0.0 (not enough amplitude)
11. 720 ring pivot: 0.8 (being generous on the rotations here)
12. 360 Cossack with trunk bent forward to 360 penchee pivot: 1.0

Total: 7.1
Official score: 7.8
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 16:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rizatdinova Ribbon AA
1. 360 penchee pivot to 1080 passe pivot: 1.0
2. 180 turn in stag jump: 0.6 (being nice)
3. 720 attitude to 1080 passe pivot: 1.0
4. 720 penchee pivot: 1.2
5. Turning split leap: 0.5
6. Turning split leap: 0.5
7. 1080 cossack pivot: 0.6
8. 180 back flexion pivot from floor: 0.5
9. Horizontal to arabesque pivot: 0.0 (hop)
10. 1080 attitude pivot: 0.9 (although I think the fact that they allow that wavering of the leg in a pivot is ridiculous)
11. 720 penchee flex: 0.8 (again, being nice, the end was a little dodgy)
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7

Total: 8.3

I am actually quite surprised that I would pay most of Rizatdinova's difficulties - I guess I've never really thought about her body skills much before, but they are quite good. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 16:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Tahnee"]
Eulucil wrote:

Maybe we are too harsh? Laughing


You read my mind Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 16:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kanaeva Ball AA
1. Her originality: 0.0 (hands not off ground for entire skill, incomplete rotation even with them on the ground)
2. Walkover to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.6 (although leg wavers quite a bit)
3. 1080 penchee flex: 1.0
4. 720 back split pivot: 0.8
5. Turning split with arch leap: 0.8
6. Turning split with arch leap: 0.8
7. Back split to back flexion with turn to back split: 0.9
8. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.0 (apparatus dropped)
9. 180 back flexion pivot from floor: 0.0 (doesn't complete 180 minimum rotation)
10. Penchee to unheld ring combination balance: 1.4
11. 720 ring pivot: 0.8 (although I don't agree that this should be counted as handling)
12. Split with arch jump: 0.7

Total: 7.8
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PostPosted: Fri, 2-Apr-2010 16:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Eulucil"]
Tahnee wrote:
Eulucil wrote:

Maybe we are too harsh? Laughing


You read my mind Very Happy


Although I don't believe Weber deserves anywhere near the scores or placings that she gets, same goes for Mitrosz...
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PostPosted: Sat, 3-Apr-2010 23:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eulucil wrote:
Well, I'm starting with Weber hoop's D1 analysis Smile

1-Pivot 8.F with 2 rotations: 1.2
2-Cossack jump, didn't show the position (lower leg): 0.0
3-Penché balance, Not fixed position: 0.0
4-Jeté jump: 0.5
5-Rising wave: 0.4
6-Balance, she took support in her hoop: 0.0
7-Cossack jump: 0.6
8-Pivot with change of shapes: 0.3 + 0.1 + (3x0.1) = 0.6
9-Cossack pivot: 0.6
10- Flexibility passing by attitude: 0.5
11-Pivot: 0.3+0.1+0.4 = 0.8
12-Cossack jump + pivot. The pivot was uncomplete: 0.0

total: 5.2

What do you think?

I will make D1 when I have time Very Happy


Let's try D2... I'm not really good at counting D2 values Rolling Eyes

-Passing without hands, position on the floor 0.2
-Transmission without hands, on the floor 0.2
-Rotations on the floor 0.1
-Passing through, transmission without hands 0.2
-Rotation without hands 0.1
-Rotations during a pivot 0.1
-Rolling outside the visual field 0.2
-Rotations during a jump 0.2
-Nothing, the cossack
it's not counted, neither the handling is: 0.0
-Risk + extra rotation + change of planes +
recatch without hands
on the floor: 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.2 = 0.8
-Nothing, she performed
the rotations before the inversion: 0.0
-Nothing, not fixed balance: 0.0
-I think that she's written passing with
change of directions and levels, but there
was a small interruption between the leaps: 0.0
-Small throw: Passing to throw + rotations
of the hoop: 0.1
-Risk: Throw during rotation jump + change of
planes + change of directions + change of
directions: 0.2+ 0.3 + 0.1+ 0.1 + 0.1 0.8
-I still seeing the little deformation of the hoop
when she takes support on it, so I wouldn't
count the balance: 0.0
-Risk: She recatched the hoop before the
second walkover 0.0
-Rotations of the hoop without hands: 0.1
-Unstable balance without hands during jump: 0.2
-Transmission without hands during rotation: 0.2
-Risk: 4 rotations with change of planes + flex: 0.9
-Rotations without hands during pivot: 0.2
-Unstable balance during pivot: 0.2
-Not counted flex
-Rotations during pivot: 0.1
-Not counted jump
-Risk: Change of directions + outside the visual
field during inversion + without hands + passing
through: She touched the hoop during the passing,
but I'd count the risk: 0.3 + 0.1 0.4

Total: 5.3

I must be missing a lot of elements... Sad
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PostPosted: Sat, 3-Apr-2010 23:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final

11. Ring pivot: 0.0 (where is the handling?)

Total: 7.0


EDIT: Dmitrieva does the same thing in two of her pivots in ball, just balanced on the palm overhead - there must be something in the COP that now allows this.


I think that's supposed to be unstable balance, but the hand is not open enough
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