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PostPosted: Sun, 4-Apr-2010 2:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weber Hoop D2
Passing through (without hands, on the floor): 0.2
Passing (without hands, on the floor, outside visual field): 0.3 (although I think this should be completely without hands)
Axis spin (rhythmic steps, on the floor): 0.2
Passing through (without hands): 0.1 (maybe trying to claim rhythmic steps also, but I don't think they're clear enough)
Axis spin (without hands): 0.1
*(perhaps passing over with a wave here - not clear though)
Rotations (in a pivot): 0.1 (looks like she's going for unstable balance on the foot in the cossack position but doesn't let go, could also get change of level but there are no rotations before reaching complete vertical)
Roll (without sight): 0.1
Rotations (with jump): 0.1
Passing over (with leap of rotation): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Throw (with jump, axis throw): 0.2
Risk (extra rotation, change of level, without hands): 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.7
Axis spin (with jump, on the floor): 0.2
Axis spin (in balance, without hands): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Passing through (series, change of direction): 0.1 (broke the series, so only credit for the backward jump)
Throw (with jump, passing through): 0.2
Throw (with leap of rotation): 0.2
Risk (change of axis, on the floor): 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.5
Axis spin (in flexibility, change of level, without sight): 0.3
Roll (rhythmic steps, change in direction, with balance): 0.3
Axis spin (in balance): 0.1
Rotations (in balance, change of direction): 0.2 (although it wouldn't be written like this on the form)
Risk (passing through): 0.3 + 0.1 = 0.4
Rotations (without hands): 0.1
Rotations (in jump of rotation, without hands): 0.3
Unstable balance (with jump): 0.1 (is this really that unstable though?)
Passing through (without hands, in rotation): 0.2
Risk (2 extra rotations, change of axis): 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.1 = 0.8
Rotations, passing through (in pivot, without hands): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Unstable balance (in pivot): 0.1
Axis spin, rotations (in flex, change of direction) 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Rotations (in pivot): 0.1
Rotations (in leap of rotation, without hands, change of level): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Risk (change of axis, without hands, without sight, passing through, in a wave, on the floor): 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 1.0 (is rolling through middle splits really a rotation?)

Total: 7.3
Official score: 7.55
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PostPosted: Sun, 4-Apr-2010 3:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weber Hoop Execution
Lack of amplitude in leap: 0.1
Imprecise trajectory, 1 step: 0.1 (or shuffle on her bottom)
Lack of amplitude, shape not fixed in balance: 0.3
Lack of amplitude in leap: 0.1
Catch in two hands: 0.1
Incomplete movement (didn't complete 360 in first shape of pivot): 0.1
Lack of amplitude in flex: 0.1
Lack of amplitude in leap: 0.1
Shape not fixed, incomplete movement (didn't complete 360 in cossack position): 0.3

Total: 8.7
Official score: 8.7 Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 4-Apr-2010 7:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank's a lot tahnee!
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PostPosted: Sun, 4-Apr-2010 13:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually really enjoy doing these, it's great judging practice for me. I will continue with another D2 analysis now. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 4-Apr-2010 13:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maksimenko Hoop Final D2
Axis spin (without sight): 0.1
Throw (with leap, oblique): 0.2
Risk (extra rotation, without hands, on the floor, in rotations): 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.8
Axis spin, rotations (with flex, without sight, without hands): 0.4
Passing through (with wave, without hands, without sight, on the floor): 0.4
Small throw (around axis, without hands, on the floor) (catch in flex and rotation): 0.0 (no credit, apparatus dropped)
Throw (oblique): 0.1
Risk (extra rotation, change of axis, without hands, without sight): 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.2 = 0.8
Axis spin (with wave, without hands): 0.2
Rotations (with pivot, without hands): 0.2
Throw (without hands, around axis): 0.2
Risk: 0.0 (no credit, fumbled catch)
Rotations, roll (with pivot, without hands, without sight): 0.4
Roll (rhythmic steps, without sight): 0.2
Throw (around axis) Catch (with leap of rotation): 0.3
Rotations (with pivot, without hands): 0.2
Passing through (change of direction): 0.1
Risk (without hands): 0.3 + 0.1 = 0.4
Rotations (without hands, rhythmic steps): 0.2
Rotations (with balance, without hands): 0.2
Throw (passing through, with jump, around axis) Catch (with leap): 0.4
Axis spin (with flex): 0.1
Rotations, passing through (with balance, without hands, change of direction): 0.4
Passing through (change of direction): 0.1
Throw (from rotations, oblique): 0.2
Risk (extra rotation, change of axis, without hands, on the floor): 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.8
Axis spin (without hands): 0.1
Throw (oblique) Catch (with flex and rotation, without hands, without sight): 0.5 (although I wouldn't be surprised if the catch didn't count since she practically fell out of the skill)
Catch (with leap of rotation): 0.2
Passing through (change of level): 0.1

Total: 8.3
Official score: 7.85
(if I didn't count the catch in back flexion, I'd be down to 7.9)
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PostPosted: Sun, 4-Apr-2010 18:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna Kull wrote:
Thank's a lot tahnee!


Yeah, you're great! Not all the gymnasts know that much about the COP!
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 1:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eulucil wrote:
Anna Kull wrote:
Thank's a lot tahnee!


Yeah, you're great! Not all the gymnasts know that much about the COP!


I am a judge too - I do the test for advanced later in the year, and the level after that is Brevet 4. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 2:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Maksimenko Hoop Final
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (no credit: apparatus dropped)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7 (this time it actually looked like a turning stag with ring, but perhaps it was just the angle)

Total: 7.8
Official score: 7.85 (yay!)


Tahnee, Horizontal Fouette value is C so, 0.3 x 5 = 1.5
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 3:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eulucil wrote:

2-Cossack jump, didn't show the position (lower leg): 0.0

I count this leap, look at the other cossack jump, which you counted, the lower leg is at same high and position, but for me the position is ok.

Eulucil wrote:

3-Penché balance, Not fixed position: 0.0


I think she fix the position

Eulucil wrote:

5-Rising wave: 0.4


Rising wave = 0.5

Eulucil wrote:

6-Balance, she took support in her hoop: 0.0


I doubt, at first I'll count, but after watching few times I think I won't count, I think you can take support with the ball, with clubs, but if you put some of your weight on the hoop, it deforms, and in the video I don't see any deformation (of the hoop)

Eulucil wrote:

8-Pivot with change of shapes: 0.3 + 0.1 + (3x0.1) = 0.6

she does 1 and 2 (counted), so 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.2 =0.6???

Eulucil wrote:

11-Pivot: 0.3+0.1+0.4 = 0.8

First rotation incomplete, so 0
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 3:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
2. Walkover to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.6 (although I don't believe there was enough amplitude in this)

The value is 0.7
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
8. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.0 (drop)

I count, but 0.1 less in exec for the leg ( 0.8 )
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
9. Back flexion pivot from floor: 0.0 (less than 180 rotation)

I think she does at least 180º...
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
11. Ring pivot: 0.0 (where is the handling?)


Tahnee, hold the ball on the hand during a pivot... unbelievely is a mastery... so the pivot is 1.2
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 6:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashanty wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
Maksimenko Hoop Final
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (no credit: apparatus dropped)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7 (this time it actually looked like a turning stag with ring, but perhaps it was just the angle)

Total: 7.8
Official score: 7.85 (yay!)


Tahnee, Horizontal Fouette value is C so, 0.3 x 5 = 1.5


Fouettes are base plus 0.2 for each additional rotation - it says this on p. 32, 5.1.10
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 6:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashanty wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
2. Walkover to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.6 (although I don't believe there was enough amplitude in this)

The value is 0.7
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
8. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.0 (drop)

I count, but 0.1 less in exec for the leg ( 0.8 )
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
9. Back flexion pivot from floor: 0.0 (less than 180 rotation)

I think she does at least 180º...
Tahnee wrote:
Kanaeva Ball Final
11. Ring pivot: 0.0 (where is the handling?)


Tahnee, hold the ball on the hand during a pivot... unbelievely is a mastery... so the pivot is 1.2


2. Walkover to back flexion with 180 turn is 0.6. The 0.7 is for starting from the floor.
11. I understand that is now a mastery, but it is meant to be balanced ball with open palm - no fingers curled around the ball.

I've just realised I wrote ball final when I was analysing ball AA, which is what Anna asked for, so I've changed the title in my original post.
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 7:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kanaeva Ball AA D2
Unstable balance (with flex and rotation, without sight): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
*(I have no idea what she writes for these steps with the ball between her legs, which is not even really passing - perhaps it isn't written on her sheet, but I doubt it)
Catch (without hands, without sight): 0.2
Throw (with jump, without hands, without sight): 0.3
Catch, unstable balance (with flex and rotation, without hands, without sight): 0.5
Bounce (with flex and rotation, series): 0.3
Risk (without hands, without sight, on the floor): 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 0.1 = 0.7
Unstable balance (on the floor, without sight): 0.2
Unstable balance (with pivot): 0.1
Risk (catch in leap of rotation, rethrow from leap of rotation, extra rotation): 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.7 (I wouldn't pay the rethrow as she put her second hand on the ball after catching in the first leap before rethrowing in the second, therefore the extra rotation doesn't pay either - I would still give her throw in a leap of rotation for the second though)
Risk without throw (without sight): 0.4
Small throw (without hands, without sight): 0.1
Throw (with rotation, without hands, without sight): 0.3
Risk (change of axis, rethrow, without hands): 0.0 (waited too long after chaine, and also didn't catch into the next rotation, therefore nothing after that counts)
Catch (with flex, without hands, without sight): 0.3
Catch (with leap of rotation, without hands): 0.0 (apparatus dropped)
Throw (with flex and rotation): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Bounce (with balance, without hands): 0.2
Unstable balance (with pivot): 0.1
Throw (with jump) Catch (without hands, on the floor): 0.3

Total: 4.7

Even if everything I found had counted, she would've only had 6.6 on her sheet... what the hell am I missing?? Would like to see someone else's analysis of this one, because even I have more than 6.6 on my sheet for ball...
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 7:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Throw (with flex and rotation): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)



why is there no credit?
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 8:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Throw (with flex and rotation): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)



why is there no credit?


Because she didn't complete the minimum 180 degrees in the back scale pivot, and therefore the D2 cannot be paid.
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