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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 9:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
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Throw (with flex and rotation): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)



why is there no credit?


Because she didn't complete the minimum 180 degrees in the back scale pivot, and therefore the D2 cannot be paid.

ohok thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 13:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Ashanty wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
Maksimenko Hoop Final
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (no credit: apparatus dropped)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7 (this time it actually looked like a turning stag with ring, but perhaps it was just the angle)

Total: 7.8
Official score: 7.85 (yay!)


Tahnee, Horizontal Fouette value is C so, 0.3 x 5 = 1.5


Fouettes are base plus 0.2 for each additional rotation - it says this on p. 32, 5.1.10


If you do a single horizontal fouette is 0.3, if you do 720º in horizontal fouette, is 0.3 +0.2 = 0.5, however if you do, single, single, single, single (for exemple) the value is 0.3 + 0.3 + 0.3 + 0.3 = 1.2, if you do Single, Double, single, the value in this case is 0.3+0.5+0.3 = 1.1
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 14:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohk, yes this makes sense - I admit, I don't pay much attention to fouettes, as I don't have them in my routines and neither does anyone else at my club, so I never have to calculate values for them. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 14:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:

2. Walkover to back flexion with 180 turn is 0.6. The 0.7 is for starting from the floor.
11. I understand that is now a mastery, but it is meant to be balanced ball with open palm - no fingers curled around the ball.

I've just realised I wrote ball final when I was analysing ball AA, which is what Anna asked for, so I've changed the title in my original post.


Tahnee... if you see the code.
the back flexion start standing is 0.3,
the back flexion standing from floor is 0.1 more, so 0.4,
walkover to back flexion (start standing) is 0.3 + 0.2 = 0.5
walkover to back flexion starting from floor is 0.3 + 0.3 = 0.6,
and if you add 180º turn after the walkover from start standing is 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.2 = 0.7

and talking about the mastery... copied from p.49
The apparatus is considered in an «unstable balance”provided that:
The apparatus is held without the help of the hand(s) on a small surface of the body segment (neck, foot, back of the hand) or with a difficult body-apparatus relationship with risk of loss of the apparatus (including the ball on the open hand during a pivot difficulty)

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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 14:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Ohk, yes this makes sense - I admit, I don't pay much attention to fouettes, as I don't have them in my routines and neither does anyone else at my club, so I never have to calculate values for them. Wink


hehehe, don't mind Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 14:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashanty wrote:
Tahnee wrote:

2. Walkover to back flexion with 180 turn is 0.6. The 0.7 is for starting from the floor.
11. I understand that is now a mastery, but it is meant to be balanced ball with open palm - no fingers curled around the ball.

I've just realised I wrote ball final when I was analysing ball AA, which is what Anna asked for, so I've changed the title in my original post.


Tahnee... if you see the code.
the back flexion start standing is 0.3,
the back flexion standing from floor is 0.1 more, so 0.4,
walkover to back flexion (start standing) is 0.3 + 0.2 = 0.5
walkover to back flexion starting from floor is 0.3 + 0.3 = 0.6,
and if you add 180º turn after the walkover from start standing is 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.2 = 0.7

and talking about the mastery... copied from p.49
The apparatus is considered in an «unstable balance”provided that:
The apparatus is held without the help of the hand(s) on a small surface of the body segment (neck, foot, back of the hand) or with a difficult body-apparatus relationship with risk of loss of the apparatus (including the ball on the open hand during a pivot difficulty)

Wink


What is 17F then? That looks like walkover to back flexion with 180 turn to me.

And I know that the ball held on the hand is considered unstable, but it must be an open hand. Kanaeva's was gripped - there was no chance that ball was going anywhere, definitely not unstable.
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 14:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:

What is 17F then? That looks like walkover to back flexion with 180 turn to me.

And I know that the ball held on the hand is considered unstable, but it must be an open hand. Kanaeva's was gripped - there was no chance that ball was going anywhere, definitely not unstable.


Noooo, it's 14 E + 0.2 for the additional rotation!

and She is russian, I have another example with the ribbon where she does nothing with the stick, but is mastery
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 14:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashanty wrote:
Tahnee wrote:

What is 17F then? That looks like walkover to back flexion with 180 turn to me.

And I know that the ball held on the hand is considered unstable, but it must be an open hand. Kanaeva's was gripped - there was no chance that ball was going anywhere, definitely not unstable.


Noooo, it's 14 E + 0.2 for the additional rotation!

and She is russian, I have another example with the ribbon where she does nothing with the stick, but is mastery


Tahnee, I didn't notice that exists the 17F, so i think i was confused this time, in this case it's my fault and it's what you said, (sorry) Embarassed
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 15:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Here's one D1 analysis for now..

Maksimenko Hoop AA
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (just enough rotation, although harsher judges may not have paid this)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6 (no credit: first rotation incomplete)
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1

0.30 x 6 = 1.80


5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap or turning stag with arch leap: ? (either way, no credit: shape not clear)

Total: 7.1


4 element. 0.30 x 6 = 1.80
So total of 7.80 should be
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 15:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Ashanty wrote:
Tahnee wrote:
Maksimenko Hoop Final
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (no credit: apparatus dropped)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7 (this time it actually looked like a turning stag with ring, but perhaps it was just the angle)

Total: 7.8
Official score: 7.85 (yay!)


Tahnee, Horizontal Fouette value is C so, 0.3 x 5 = 1.5


Fouettes are base plus 0.2 for each additional rotation - it says this on p. 32, 5.1.10


it MEANS another thing
If you do 360 fouette + 720 fouette + 720 fouette it will be CEE (so +0.20 for additional rotation and not CFF)
But if you do one after another - it is CCCCCC....
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 15:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

So as a matter of fact we can all see here through these analyses that Kanaeva receives FAR too overscored scores. And believe me, in D2 she writes a lot of stuff that she never performs but judges are often "blind" to notice it.
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 15:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you ALL for the interesting analyses!

I would like to see the analyses of Kaneava's ribbon routine from the AA in Thiais and Kondakova's ribbon routine from the AA in Kalamata.
Thanks in advance!.
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 20:50    Post subject: Reply with quote

Invisible Hedgehog wrote:
So as a matter of fact we can all see here through these analyses that Kanaeva receives FAR too overscored scores. And believe me, in D2 she writes a lot of stuff that she never performs but judges are often "blind" to notice it.


Yeah, agreed. A lot of gymnasts write handlings that they never perform. I think that D1 judges are quite more strict than D2 ones...
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 21:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Invisible Hedgehog wrote:
So as a matter of fact we can all see here through these analyses that Kanaeva receives FAR too overscored scores. And believe me, in D2 she writes a lot of stuff that she never performs but judges are often "blind" to notice it.


Yeah, I agree with you, I saw during my judge course a Kanaeva's sheet and yes, to my eyes is nice to see her, but in D2 for exemple I couldn't see anything, I don't know if she was too fast, or I'm blind, stupid or slow but I was shocked because I was waiting to see her doing anything and she was 3 box after me... at that moment I asked myself why I like RG and not badminton or horse vaulting instead. Lucky of me i passed the course and I forgot kanaeva, the russians and their sheets and everything which involves elite RG sheets.
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PostPosted: Mon, 5-Apr-2010 21:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eulucil wrote:
Invisible Hedgehog wrote:
So as a matter of fact we can all see here through these analyses that Kanaeva receives FAR too overscored scores. And believe me, in D2 she writes a lot of stuff that she never performs but judges are often "blind" to notice it.


Yeah, agreed. A lot of gymnasts write handlings that they never perform. I think that D1 judges are quite more strict than D2 ones...


(stoy totalmnt d acuerdo). I agree 100%
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