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Begotxu



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PostPosted: Thu, 28-Feb-2013 9:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, flat foot on penché is 0,40+0.20 for each rotation and in relevé is worth 0,50+0.20
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PostPosted: Thu, 28-Feb-2013 18:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the correction! I did not know that and will keep it in mind next time. Very Happy

Dance Steps:
0:37-0:45: Fundamental - Spirals (.30)
0:57-1:14: Fundamental - Spirals on Floor (.30)

Dance Steps: .60

Total Difficulty (Body + Dance): 5.20
Credited Difficulty (Body + Dance): 5.00

If anyone can do Risk or Mastery, please feel free.

I am still trying to figure out how to score these two and waiting on more explanation for them. In the meantime, I will start Body Difficulty + Dance for another routine.
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PostPosted: Thu, 28-Feb-2013 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
Thank you for the correction! I did not know that and will keep it in mind next time. Very Happy

Dance Steps:
0:57-1:14: Fundamental - Spirals on Floor (.30)

I could be really biased for this one, but I think it can be split into two sequences cause 1) it comprises 17 seconds, and 2) there's a 'transition' at around 1:05 Razz I mean why wouldn't they declare another dance step when there's enough seconds? it's a 0.3 Cool

IH please tell us about this)))))
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PostPosted: Thu, 28-Feb-2013 19:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

charleslch wrote:
Artistry Fan wrote:
Thank you for the correction! I did not know that and will keep it in mind next time. Very Happy

Dance Steps:
0:57-1:14: Fundamental - Spirals on Floor (.30)

I could be really biased for this one, but I think it can be split into two sequences cause 1) it comprises 17 seconds, and 2) there's a 'transition' at around 1:05 Razz I mean why wouldn't they declare another dance step when there's enough seconds? it's a 0.3 Cool

IH please tell us about this)))))


I was thinking the same exact thing! It's way too long and could be counted as 2 separate dance steps. Also, from the Jan 2013 Errata:

"During a minimum of 8 seconds in accordance with the tempo and rhythm of the music (it is possible to perform body difficulties or pre-acrobatic elements during the dance steps, but these elements cannot be counted as part of the 8 seconds; there must be 8 seconds of actual dance steps)"

I was thinking first would be [Spirals on Floor] 0:57-1:07, then I guess [Spirals] 1:10-1:15 - which is less than 8 - but would link to the dancing in 1:25-1:28 to meet requirement.. even though it is interrupted twice before resuming. Can you do that? Watching Then she would have 3 total Dance for .90.

Would love to also hear IH's perspective on this one.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8-Mar-2013 4:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Merkulova Ball (2013 Moscow Grand Prix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmYk_nS--_o


Body Difficulty:

flat penchee + attitude w/ arch (.50 +.40 + .10 connection = 1.00)
turning split w/ arch (.50; insufficient bend so no bonus)
turning split w/ arch (.50 + .20 bend = .70)
turning stag w/ arch (.30 + .20 bend = .50)
1080 flat penchee pivot (.40 + .20 = .60; last rotation incomplete and sliding.. to me she fixes position facing SW/W direction and ends S)
backscale w/ leg high (.50)
sidescale w/ no help, leg high (.50)
9 fouettes (.10; sliding and hopping on others, I credited only first)

TOTAL: 5.60
GIVE: 4.40

Dance Steps:
0:01-0:05 and 0:12-0:18: Other - Catch w/ One Hand (.30)
0:32-0:40: Fundamental - Roll of Ball Over Min. 2 Segments (.30)
0:57-1:05: Roll of Body over Ball on Floor (.30)

TOTAL (Body + Dance): 6.50
GIVE (Body + Dance): 5.30

Quote:
Mazur Ball (2013 Moscow Grand Prix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKKyv8rMruE


1080 flat penchee (.40 + .20 + .20 = .80)
1440 attitude (.30; credit 1 due to hop before finishing 2nd rot.)
turning split w/ arch (.50 + .20 bend = .70)
ring balance w/ no help (.40)
1080 arabesque (NO; slide on 1st rot. and below horizontal)
walkover to penchee flat (.50 + .10 rotation = .60)
turning double stag w/ arch (.40 + .20 bend = .60)
walkover to back scale (NO; drop)
360 ring w/ help (.30)

TOTAL: 6.10
GIVE: 3.70 (Sorry, Mazur Crying or Very sad)

Dance Steps:
0:06-0:23: Fundamental - Roll of Ball Over Min. 2 Segments (.30)
0:30-0:39: Other - Unstable Balance (0.30)
0:46-0:54: Other - Assisted Series of Small Roll

TOTAL (Body + Dance): 7.00
GIVE (Body + Dance): 4.60

I wonder if you can claim two bases for Steps? At the beginning of Mazur's, for example, could she write Roll of Ball on Floor and Roll of Ball Over 2 Segments?

As, always.. corrections appreciated and I still don't get how to calculate Risk & Mastery so if someone wants to do them, I'd love to see an example. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 8-Mar-2013 8:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
I wonder if you can claim two bases for Steps?


Yes you can. In fact coaches will prefer to put more fundamental bases in front of a dance steps in order to have those 50%.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8-Mar-2013 8:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denisa wrote:
Artistry Fan wrote:
I wonder if you can claim two bases for Steps?


Yes you can. In fact coaches will prefer to put more fundamental bases in front of a dance steps in order to have those 50%.


Okay, so even if a sequence is only 8 seconds long.. she can have it count twice for rhythmic steps and get .60?
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PostPosted: Fri, 8-Mar-2013 10:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dance steps are still worth 0.30 no matter how many bases you put with them... You would just have more to increase your predominance of Fundamental Groups.
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PostPosted: Fri, 8-Mar-2013 11:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tahnee wrote:
Dance steps are still worth 0.30 no matter how many bases you put with them... You would just have more to increase your predominance of Fundamental Groups.


Got it! Thanks Denisa and Tahnee. Smile
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Ashanty



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PostPosted: Wed, 13-Mar-2013 15:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many body difficulties has Lala Yusifova at her ball routine??? I haven't noticed yet, but I swear after watching the video for five times I count 10.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwQC_MaGwgk
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PostPosted: Wed, 13-Mar-2013 16:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that the very last movement -balance with backbend and roll is not a body difficulty. And of course fouette with attitude is multiple pivot.Then there are 9 difficulties. More important question - does she do different handling in all difficulties? Please tell me?
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PostPosted: Wed, 13-Mar-2013 20:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Themis wrote:
I suppose that the very last movement -balance with backbend and roll is not a body difficulty. And of course fouette with attitude is multiple pivot.Then there are 9 difficulties. More important question - does she do different handling in all difficulties? Please tell me?


Last backbend balance is a difficult which value is 0.4 that's why I think she has 10 body elements Confused
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PostPosted: Wed, 13-Mar-2013 21:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashanty wrote:
Themis wrote:
I suppose that the very last movement -balance with backbend and roll is not a body difficulty. And of course fouette with attitude is multiple pivot.Then there are 9 difficulties. More important question - does she do different handling in all difficulties? Please tell me?


Last backbend balance is a difficult which value is 0.4 that's why I think she has 10 body elements Confused

This is indeed questionable. The only thing I can think of is that maybe she didn't roll the ball over at least 2 body segments?
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PostPosted: Wed, 13-Mar-2013 22:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

charleslch wrote:
Ashanty wrote:
Themis wrote:
I suppose that the very last movement -balance with backbend and roll is not a body difficulty. And of course fouette with attitude is multiple pivot.Then there are 9 difficulties. More important question - does she do different handling in all difficulties? Please tell me?


Last backbend balance is a difficult which value is 0.4 that's why I think she has 10 body elements Confused

This is indeed questionable. The only thing I can think of is that maybe she didn't roll the ball over at least 2 body segments?


yes, she did! She starts the roll (or she should start) at her chest and then arms Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, 14-Mar-2013 0:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ashanty wrote:
charleslch wrote:
Ashanty wrote:
Themis wrote:
I suppose that the very last movement -balance with backbend and roll is not a body difficulty. And of course fouette with attitude is multiple pivot.Then there are 9 difficulties. More important question - does she do different handling in all difficulties? Please tell me?


Last backbend balance is a difficult which value is 0.4 that's why I think she has 10 body elements Confused

This is indeed questionable. The only thing I can think of is that maybe she didn't roll the ball over at least 2 body segments?


yes, she did! She starts the roll (or she should start) at her chest and then arms Wink

oh right, then maybe the balance wasn't clearly fixed in shape as mentioned in the code...?
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