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PostPosted: Wed, 3-Apr-2013 18:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could someone do an analysis of any group routine under the new COP? Would really appreciate it. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue, 7-May-2013 17:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your question let me go through the routine to see how many I find not being a judge. Two questions came to my mind:1) Is the single illusion tun a rotation difficulty or is it still possible to have A difficulties as elements but not write them on your D form?
2) When she does that chaine to through the ball I ask my self if this is actually a completed movement as I feel like I can't see it clearly. May be this is not a D?
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PostPosted: Sat, 1-Jun-2013 9:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi!
I analyzed the ball routine of Yusifova with our sheetwriter program.
What's your opinion?
Miss Valentine 2013 ball final

The original pdf is here:http://orbaneva.csanadi.org/wp-content/uploads/Yusifova_Lala_-_Ball.pdf
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PostPosted: Sun, 2-Jun-2013 16:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

orbaneva wrote:
Hi!
I analyzed the ball routine of Yusifova with our sheetwriter program.
What's your opinion?
Miss Valentine 2013 ball final

The original pdf is here:http://orbaneva.csanadi.org/wp-content/uploads/Yusifova_Lala_-_Ball.pdf
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I think some of this is wrong? Neutral The first pivot is double. The change of level symbol, in risk, is only used when the gymnast moves from standing to on the floor or the other way. So therefore the first risk should only be - two rotations, change of axis (or plane), rethrow and without vision. Perhaps three rotations if you count the turning leap. The second risk does not have change of level either? And then there may not be two regular catches in mastery. Perhaps the second one needs the symbol of catch with one hand? It has like a cup underneath. And the penche turn on flat foot is with bounce not unstable. The roll after the rhythmic steps may be a mastery? Again there is no level change in the risk. And the addition of an attitude turn after the fouette. After the rhythmic steps is a balance too Smile Tell me if these are good corrections? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 2-Jun-2013 16:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks!
I wanted to discuss. Under "your opinion" I intended let's talk about it!
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PostPosted: Sun, 2-Jun-2013 16:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

orbaneva wrote:
Thanks!
I wanted to discuss. Under "your opinion" I intended let's talk about it!

I edited my post Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, 2-Jun-2013 17:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first pivot is less than 720 degrees.
The change of level symbol in risk is used when the gymnast jumps, too.
"And then there may not be two regular catches in mastery.
Perhaps the second one needs the symbol of catch with one hand? It has like a cup underneath." Yes, you are right.
"And the penche turn on flat foot is with bounce not unstable." You are right.
"The roll after the rhythmic steps may be a mastery?" That is a little throw.
" And the addition of an attitude turn after the fouette." It would be the tenth difficulty, so it's a problem. Other people have already noticed it.
Have you seen www.rgsheet.com?
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PostPosted: Mon, 3-Jun-2013 2:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

In flight and standing are the same level - there is no change of level in the first two risks.

Also - you can only write 2 criteria next to the mastery base, even if more are present.
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PostPosted: Mon, 3-Jun-2013 7:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank You, Tahnee!
If you have any other notice, please write it!
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PostPosted: Mon, 3-Jun-2013 23:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

yussupovafan asked me to figure out the start value of Rizatdinova's ribbon routine, so here is my attempt. I based off her AA + EF routines at Vienna and added comments to the ones I'm not sure of. Any input is appreciated!

720 Penchee to 1440 Passe pivot (1.40)
Timochenko balance (.50)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Fundamental: Spirals / Other: Rebound Off Body [no hands] (.20) Can you claim a criteria that only applies to one of the bases for a Mastery with 2 bases + 1 criteria?
Turning split (.50)
Turning split (.50)
Risk - 4 rotations + level change (.50)
Rhythmic Steps (.30) She spends 16-17 seconds in this section, so I believe there are 2 steps in a row with mastery on the 2nd
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Other: Rotation Around Part of Body / Other: Catch [no sight] (.20) Same question. If "no," what would you write for her two masteries?
1440 Attitude pivot (1.20)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Back scale balance (.50)
1080 Penchee flat (.90)
Risk - 3 rotations + 2* level change (.50) Clarification: 1st roll does count as level change? Or do they have to be walkovers or dive rolls?
Walkover to Back scale balance (.60)
720 Ring pivot w/ help (.60)
Risk - 2 rotations + rethrow (.30) Not sure if the walkover and level change after rethrow count, so I left it out.

As is, I have her at a 9.6.
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PostPosted: Tue, 4-Jun-2013 15:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
yussupovafan asked me to figure out the start value of Rizatdinova's ribbon routine, so here is my attempt. I based off her AA + EF routines at Vienna and added comments to the ones I'm not sure of. Any input is appreciated!

As is, I have her at a 9.6.


Under the new COP, is it possible for them to max it out to 10?
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PostPosted: Tue, 4-Jun-2013 16:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

gymfan3 wrote:
Artistry Fan wrote:
yussupovafan asked me to figure out the start value of Rizatdinova's ribbon routine, so here is my attempt. I based off her AA + EF routines at Vienna and added comments to the ones I'm not sure of. Any input is appreciated!

As is, I have her at a 9.6.


Under the new COP, is it possible for them to max it out to 10?


Yes, I think most of the 'top' girls do have 10.. perhaps I am missing things or they do not show completely what is on the sheet. Like for her ring w/ help, I've seen her do 1080 but it's usually 720 so I'm not sure if it's supposed to be 3 rotations or she just did too many once or twice in competition.

Hmm.. I just realized it would be strange to have "rebound off part of body" as base and [no hands] as criteria because that's assumed with the base. I really have no clue what she writes for the first Mastery.
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PostPosted: Tue, 4-Jun-2013 17:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps the second mastery is an echappé:


But if you do spirals and enter with the stick in the design?
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PostPosted: Wed, 5-Jun-2013 20:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

nagyangela wrote:
But if you do spirals and enter with the stick in the design?


I'm sorry, but what do you mean by this?
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PostPosted: Thu, 6-Jun-2013 7:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

This movement of the ribbon.
http://images.fashionnstyle.com/data/images/full/4359/russias-daria-dmitrieva.jpg?w=470
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