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nagyangela



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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Jun-2013 6:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Filiou Ball
Great gymnast!
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Waiting for reflections. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Jun-2013 7:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Staniouta Ball "start value"
Obviously I suppose she hasn't written 10,6.
I saw these things.

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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Jun-2013 8:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Staniouta Ball "start value"

During this risk she catches the ball with two hands, but here how would she catch it with one hand?

Confused
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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Jun-2013 11:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose Melitina starts from 10. But what did she actually execute? And is this Varvara's start value or what she should become at this competition? Or both Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Jun-2013 21:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll try for Staniouta's ball from EC.. she made small adjustments here compared to how she performed it at Corbeil and Minsk. Based on video from team and finals.

Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [sight + hands] (.20)
1080 Penchee flat (.90)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
720 Ring w/ help (.60) Typically only see her do 720, so I think 1080 might have been over rotation?
Turning split (.50)
Turning split (.50 - also 1 rotation of risk)
Risk - 4 rotations, rethrow, sight, axis, level (.80) I read after rethrow doesn't count, so I will leave out hands criteria on catch
1080 Attitude turn (.90)
Turning split w/ bend (.70)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Segments [on floor + body rotation] (.20)
Timochenko balance + wave (.60)
Risk - 4 rotations, sight, 2 axis, level (.80)
360 Cossack + 360 Penchee + .10 level (.70)
Mastery - Other: Unstable [sight + body rotation] (.20) Not sure if I have it written correctly? She does this in finals but not team (but grasping, not open)
Mastery - Fundamental: Roll Over Min. 2 Body Segments [sight + body rotation] (.20)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Risk - 2 rotations, axis, level, sight, hands (.60)
WO to Back scale balance (.60)

SV: 9.9. If I am wrong about the no criteria/rotations after rethrow, it would be 10. What do you think?

nagyangela, I just saw your reply to Ganna's 1st mastery. I think you're right with small adjustment. Perhaps it is Fundamental: Echappe [hands + rebound] since it is within sight?
Or at least she always looks down at her foot when she does it Razz
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 6:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Attempt at Halkina's ball routine based on just her team routine. Video here.

Rhythmic Steps (.30) ??? Not obvious "dance" but it's 8 seconds long with coordinated movements to the music. Hmm..
Mastery - Other: Handling/Large Circle [hands + body rotation] (.20)
WO + Penchee balance (.60)
Turning double stag w/ bend (.60)
Risk - 4 rotations, axis change (.50)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
720 Back split w/ help (.60)
Risk - 3 rotations, level, axis (.50)
720 Penchee flat (.70)
Mastery - Other: Unstable [hands + body rotation] (.20)
WO + Back scale balance (.60) Would this be connected for additional +.10? There is no intermediate step.. or does WO void it?
Turning split w/ bend (.70)
720 Ring w/ help (.60)
Mastery - Other: Throw [hands + body rotation] (.20)
Rhythmic Steps (.30)
Timochenko balance + wave (.60)
Risk - 2 rotations, 2 sight, level, hands (.60)
[Could be rhythmic steps here but it is less than 8 seconds.]
720 Horizontal + 1080 Passe (.70) Just short of last rotation, possibly just 720 for passe.

SV: 8.7-8.9
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nagyangela



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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 15:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry for her great pivots - the ring and the high leg pivots for me are 360-360 degrees - but I saw this :

But we have to mention that the view point (to see it being present or in streaming) sometimes "changes the facts".
Adding the two turns: 8,4
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 17:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh wait.. are we doing what they should be credited for? I was trying to figure out sheet only. Oops. Laughing

Here you are missing back scale balance after walkover:
.. unless you are doing credited analysis? For me, it was okay.

Also, for masteries, you cannot repeat the same "Other" base, so she cannot have [Other: Throw] as base twice on Line 10 and 12. Even so, she can't claim a mastery with the exact same base + criteria - even if it is Fundamental.

This one:

I did not credit the base since she does not do any rolling over chest only arms.. unless I am misunderstanding and forearm and bicep counts as 2 segments/

Thanks for doing analysis, it's nice to have comparison! I will try Maksymenko next.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 18:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
Oh wait.. are we doing what they should be credited for? I was trying to figure out sheet only. Oops. Laughing

Here you are missing back scale balance after walkover:
.. unless you are doing credited analysis? For me, it was okay.

Also, for masteries, you cannot repeat the same "Other" base, so she cannot have [Other: Throw] as base twice. Even so, she can't claim a mastery with the exact same base + criteria - even if it is Fundamental.

This one:

I did not credit the base since she does not roll over torso only arms.. unless I am misunderstanding and forearm and bicep is 2 segments?

Thanks for doing analysis, it's nice to have comparison! I will try Maksymenko next.


I watch the video and contemporary I'm writing what I see.
Yes, I didn't pay attention, there is a back scale balance, perhaps I left it out because that was not fixed.
Thank YOU for answering!
I'll try to analyze Maksymenko, too.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think masteries will be the biggest difference when we do analyses, since it's difficult to say what is "unordinary" for one person vs. another, etc. Or what the gymnasts might be claiming as such, when we don't think it's special enough. Razz

For the last mixed pivot, I rewatched and I think it might just be 720 720 on sheet. I double counted. Confused
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 19:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Artistry Fan wrote:
I think masteries will be the biggest difference when we do analyses, since it's difficult to say what is "unordinary" for one person vs. another, etc. Or what the gymnasts might be claiming as such, when we don't think it's special enough. Razz

For the last mixed pivot, I rewatched and I think it might just be 720 720 on sheet. I double counted. Confused


For me she doesn't turn 720 degrees after fixing the two forms.

Masteries in this form didn't exist in the previous cycle. I'm trying to realize what is accept. Perhaps it depends on the different countries, too.
Unfortunately our sport is very subjective, mostly with the new rules, but I don't dislike them.
Here is my analyze about Maksymenko.
During the dance steps she wanted to do a mastery roll but she didn't do it.

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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 19:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all! I wanted to see what they are supposed to get exactly at this competition. I suppose everybody starts from 10 or at least very close to 10.
I have a question about Filiou's score, in particular her first pivot, the ring pivot. I counted 4 revolutions. OK may be it was just over rotated but at least she should get credits for 3, so as far as I understood the code, this should be 0.9. Is that correct? And also her penchee pivot should be 0.5 + 0.2 for the second rotation, right?
I haven't seen detailed the other analyses but I will take a look later. It would be great if someone tries Mateva, Rivkin and Yusifova. Or I will try and you will help me with the apparatus thing.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 21:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

venn wrote:
Thank you all! I wanted to see what they are supposed to get exactly at this competition. I suppose everybody starts from 10 or at least very close to 10.
I have a question about Filiou's score, in particular her first pivot, the ring pivot. I counted 4 revolutions. OK may be it was just over rotated but at least she should get credits for 3, so as far as I understood the code, this should be 0.9. Is that correct? And also her penchee pivot should be 0.5 + 0.2 for the second rotation, right?
I haven't seen detailed the other analyses but I will take a look later. It would be great if someone tries Mateva, Rivkin and Yusifova. Or I will try and you will help me with the apparatus thing.


Lala Yusifova Ball EC 2013

In this risk she waits before doing the illusion.

For me the duration of this dance steps were less than 8 seconds

For me this back scale balance was not fixed


But she got 8.725, so ... Confused
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 22:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've still yet to come home, but looking over the Maksymenko's sheet.. there are some mistakes.

Here you cannot use the same exact base and criteria, even if it is Fundamental. If you are going to repeat Fundamental, it needs to be 2 different criteria than a previous Mastery.


Since you have this written as well, it might be better to just write as Fundamental: Roll Over Min 2. Segments [on floor + body rotation].

It doesn't make sense to write more than the 2 most obvious criteria, or the ones that will allow you to claim it as a different Mastery than those similar.. just my opinion for the 2nd and 3rd photos. From the text it only asks for "minimum 2 criteria" which does not bar 3 or 4 etc. In this case, I guess you can argue that it is a "different combination" due to the additional criteria. The examples I usually see write only 2 criteria, but the way the text reads suggests that the way you have it originally is okay.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8-Jun-2013 23:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you sooo much for your hard work!
I wouldn't count Maksymenko's fouettes, She walked the half of the carpet on both of them + many execution errors. And considering your opinions, I would definitely give the ball final to Filiou instead of Maksy and may be to Lala instead of Neta.
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