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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 1:02 Post subject: |
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Invisible Hedgehog wrote: | Tahnee wrote: | Ashanty wrote: | Tahnee wrote: | Maksimenko Hoop Final
1. B arch to chest balance: 0.7
2. 180 back flexion turn from floor: 0.5 (no credit: apparatus dropped)
3. 360 arabesque to 360 held front split pivot: 0.6
4. Horizontal fouette, 5 rotations: 1.1
5. Turning split with ring leap: 0.7
6. Unheld front split pivot: 0.4
7. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7
8. Cossack with arch leap: 0.7
9. Back balance to back flexion with 180 turn: 0.7
10. Fouette balance: 1.1
11. Walkover to back flexion: 0.5
12. Turning stag with ring leap: 0.7 (this time it actually looked like a turning stag with ring, but perhaps it was just the angle)
Total: 7.8
Official score: 7.85 (yay!) |
Tahnee, Horizontal Fouette value is C so, 0.3 x 5 = 1.5 |
Fouettes are base plus 0.2 for each additional rotation - it says this on p. 32, 5.1.10 |
it MEANS another thing
If you do 360 fouette + 720 fouette + 720 fouette it will be CEE (so +0.20 for additional rotation and not CFF)
But if you do one after another - it is CCCCCC.... |
Yes, Ashanty already explained this. And no way is there 6 there - it's even pushing it for 5 once the leg eventually hits horizontal.
I will change my D1 score on this routine now. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Ashanty
Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 282
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 1:57 Post subject: |
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dalit wrote: | Thank you ALL for the interesting analyses!
I would like to see the analyses of Kaneava's ribbon routine from the AA in Thiais and Kondakova's ribbon routine from the AA in Kalamata.
Thanks in advance!. |
It's a bit later for me, so I just do D1 analysis
Kanaeva's Ribbon
1 Pivot, She tries 360 penchee + 360 ring without help, 1.4, Ok, let's be kind
2 Pivot 0.8 Ok
3 jete 0.8, NO (where is the back bend of trunk??)
4 jete 0.8 Ok
5 Balance 0.7, let's be kind, I don't see very well if she hold the position
6 Flex 0.5, I just see 180º
7 jete 0.8 Ok
8 jete 0.8 Ok
9 leap 0.7 Ok
10 pivot without help 0.7 Ok, being kind again.
11 Fouette DDD = 1.2 Ok, but deduced in execution.
12 Pivot 0.8 Ok, but I hardly see the handling...
D1 9.2
Kondakova
1 pivot, I just count 1 and 1, as in the first shape, the leg is lower than horizontal, so 0.3 + 0.4 + 0.1 = 0.8
2 Stag leap with leg switch 0.6 ok
3 pivot, (idem nr1.) 0.8
4 jete 0.8 Ok
5 pivot 1 + 2 (0.3 + 0.1 + 0,8 ) = 1.2
6 720º penche = 0.8
7 jete 0.8 NO!
8 pivot 3 + 2, (0.9 +0.1 + 0.2) = 1.2
First, I'm not sure if she does a side split leap at the begining, because if it is true, the sheet it's ok then, because she has 4 pivots, and 3 leaps, so then she should got a deduction... but I'm not sure.... anyways... D1 = 6,2
I'm making mistakes nonsense with the values, I've edited my comment 2 times, but I hope it'd be the last
Last edited by Ashanty on Tue, 6-Apr-2010 2:17; edited 2 times in total |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 1:59 Post subject: |
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dalit wrote: | Thank you ALL for the interesting analyses!
I would like to see the analyses of Kaneava's ribbon routine from the AA in Thiais and Kondakova's ribbon routine from the AA in Kalamata.
Thanks in advance!. |
Kondakova Ribbon D1
1. 360 arabesque to 360 attitude to 360 back split pivot: 1.2
2. Split leap with 1/2 turn of trunk: 0.0 (didn't remain in split position once turned - if that's what this skill is supposed to be, she looks incredibly awkward when she performs this)
3. Switch stag (bent leg) with arch: 0.6
4. 720 attitude to 720 ring pivot: 1.5
5. Turning split with arch leap: 0.8
6. 360 arabesque to 720 progressive down: 1.2
7. 720 penchee flex: 0.8
8. Turning stag with arch: 0.0 (insufficient movement of the trunk - she only put her head back)
9. 720 front horizontal to 720 passe pivot: 0.9
Total: 7.0
(only 9 body skills?!) _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Ashanty
Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 282
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 2:14 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: |
(only 9 body skills?!) |
Incredible but true |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 6:33 Post subject: |
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By the way, if she has only 9 body skills, she needs only 6 GCOs, so 3 of each, not 4. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 6:52 Post subject: |
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Kanaeva Ribbon D1
1. Penchee flex to unheld ring pivot: 0.0 (did not complete 360 in either rotation)
2. 720 back split pivot: 0.8 (although there is no movement of the arm here, no handling IMO)
3. Turning split leap with arch: 0.0 (insufficient bend of the trunk)
4. Turning split with arch: 0.8
5. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7 (although her trunk dips much lower than the required shape)
6. 180 back scale pivot from floor: 0.5 (very poor spirals though)
7. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.8
8. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.8
9. Split with arch jump: 0.7
10. 360 unheld ring pivot: 0.0 (did not complete 360 in shape)
11. Fouette DDD: 1.2
12. 360 ring pivot: 0.4 (handling is poor though)
Total: 6.7 _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Ashanty
Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 282
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 13:12 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: | Kanaeva Ribbon D1
1. Penchee flex to unheld ring pivot: 0.0 (did not complete 360 in either rotation)
2. 720 back split pivot: 0.8 (although there is no movement of the arm here, no handling IMO)
3. Turning split leap with arch: 0.0 (insufficient bend of the trunk)
4. Turning split with arch: 0.8
5. Back scale with leg high balance: 0.7 (although her trunk dips much lower than the required shape)
6. 180 back scale pivot from floor: 0.5 (very poor spirals though)
7. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.8
8. Turning stag with arch leap: 0.8
9. Split with arch jump: 0.7
10. 360 unheld ring pivot: 0.0 (did not complete 360 in shape)
11. Fouette DDD: 1.2
12. 360 ring pivot: 0.4 (handling is poor though)
Total: 6.7 |
Tahnee, I hope don't being with you judging D1, hahahaha |
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Ashanty
Joined: 19 Dec 2004 Posts: 282
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 13:20 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: | By the way, if she has only 9 body skills, she needs only 6 GCOs, so 3 of each, not 4. |
sorry again tahnee, I was mistaken, I read 1.1.6 where it is said that in ribbon it's compulsory 4 Pivots and 4 leaps Minimun, so I read before on 1.1.4 that on a exercise with 9 difficulties you need just 6 GCOs , thank you! |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 14:50 Post subject: |
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Kanaeva Ribbon D2
* (none of this first part constitutes as D2 bonuses IMO)
Throw (without hands): 0.1
Risk (rethrow, with jump, extra rotation) (without hands, change of direction): 0.3 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.2 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 1.0
Snakes on the ground (with jump and rotation, passing over):
0.3
Spirals (without sight): 0.1
Snakes (in pivot, without sight, change of level): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Spirals (rhythmic steps, without sight): 0.2
Snakes (rhythmic steps): 0.1
Handling (with pivot): 0.1
Handling (with jump, passing through): 0.2
Snakes (with wave): 0.1
Risk (with leap of rotation): 0.3 (I didn't give credit for the difficulty, so can the risk still pay since her second rotation was the turning leap?)
Throw (with leap of rotation): 0.2
Handling (with jump): 0.1
Handling (with rotation, without hands): 0.0 (I'm guessing this is what she is writing on her sheet - but a circle of the ribbon needs some arm movement, this has none)
Handling, snakes (with balance, without sight): 0.1 (I only pay the handling in a balance - there was definitely not 4 or 5 waves in those snakes, and therefore no handling without sight)
Throw (without sight): 0.1
Risk (change of level, on the floor): 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 = 0.5
Spirals (with flex and rotation): 0.2 (these spirals are hideous however)
Handling (passing through, with rotation): 0.2
Handling (with leap of rotation): 0.2
Toss (with leap of rotation): 0.2
* (she is passing over with a jump here, but I see no base to claim)
Toss (with jump): 0.1
Snakes, handling (rhythmic steps, with balance): 0.3
Spirals on the ground (with pivot, without sight): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Snakes (rhythmic steps, change of direction): 0.2
Handling (with jump): 0.1
* (a toss with no criteria?)
Snakes, spirals (with pivot): 0.2 (once again, very poorly formed spirals)
* (more random, unclaimable movements)
Handling (with pivot): 0.1
Throw (with rotation, without hands, without sight): 0.3
Risk: 0.0 (where is the second rotation? there is one after the rethrow, but I thought you had to have at least before, even though you can claim rotations after the rethrow)
Boomerang throw (without hands, without sight, on the floor, change of direction): 0.4 (whether this actually pays since really it's a part of the ris, I'm not sure)
Total: 6.1
I don't know what the hell she writes on her sheets, but I think the huge difference between my score and the 9s she gets says it all... As you can also see, there is a heap of stuff in her routines that she should not be able to claim anything for - but I'm guessing she does, and gets it.[/b] _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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Storm RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 15:17 Post subject: |
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Thanee your analysis is terrifying
I I wonder if she gets points even from any waving of her arm.
These are FACT, not mere opinions on how nice she is during routine.. I'd like to really know where the three lacking points are _________________ USE the same topics to ask, even if the links there are DEAD!
The POOR search button EXISTS! use it please.. |
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Tahnee RSG.net Moderator
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 15:21 Post subject: |
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Kondakova Ribbon D2
Throw (with rotation, without hands, without sight): 0.3
Boomerang throw (change of direction, without hands, without sight): 0.3
* (a jump over the ribbon, but no handling)
Handling (with turn): 0.1
Spirals, handling (with pivot): 0.2
Handling (passing through): 0.1
Handling (with leap, change of direction): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Handling (without sight): 0.1
Handling (passing through, with turn, rhythmic steps): 0.3
Toss (with leap): 0.1
Spirals on ground (with leap of rotation, passing over): 0.3
Spirals (change of direction): 0.1
Spirals (with pivot, without sight): 0.2
Handling (with rotation): 0.1
Throw (without sight): 0.1
Risk (2 change of axis, extra rotation): 0.3 + 0.1 + 0.1 + 0.2 = 0.7
Toss (with leap of rotation): 0.2
Handling (with rotation): 0.1
Spirals, snakes (with pivot, change of level): 0.3
Handling (with rotation): 0.1
Spirals (with flex, change of level): 0.2
Snakes (with flex): 0.1
Throw (with rotation, without hands, without sight): 0.3
Catch (with jump, passing through): 0.2
Spirals (rhythmic steps, without sight): 0.2
Handling (with wave): 0.1
Handling (without hands): 0.1
* (snakes with no criteria)
Toss (with balance): 0.1
Catch (with leap of rotation): 0.0 (no credit for difficulty)
Spirals on ground (with leap of rotation, passing over): 0.3
Spirals (with wave, without sight): 0.2
Spirals (change of direction): 0.1
Snakes, spirals on ground (with pivot): 0.2
Risk (extra rotation, change of axis, on the floor): 0.0 (break between 2nd and 3rd rotations)
Total: 5.8 (once again, what the Russians are claiming has little correlation to what their gymnasts actually do)
*Also - only 2 risk in this routine??
To be honest, judging ribbon D2 is a total nightmare - what the apparatus is doing half the time is very unclear (although this may just be Russian gymnasts - will have to judge Maksimenko's and Miteva's ribbon D2 also).. _________________ http://www.youtube.com/Tahnee2612 |
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coka
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 15:32 Post subject: |
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Tahnee wrote: | dalit wrote: | Thank you ALL for the interesting analyses!
I would like to see the analyses of Kaneava's ribbon routine from the AA in Thiais and Kondakova's ribbon routine from the AA in Kalamata.
Thanks in advance!. |
Kondakova Ribbon D1
1. 360 arabesque to 360 attitude to 360 back split pivot: 1.2
2. Split leap with 1/2 turn of trunk: 0.0 (didn't remain in split position once turned - if that's what this skill is supposed to be, she looks incredibly awkward when she performs this)
3. Switch stag (bent leg) with arch: 0.6
4. 720 attitude to 720 ring pivot: 1.5
5. Turning split with arch leap: 0.8
6. 360 arabesque to 720 progressive down: 1.2
7. 720 penchee flex: 0.8
8. Turning stag with arch: 0.0 (insufficient movement of the trunk - she only put her head back)
9. 720 front horizontal to 720 passe pivot: 0.9
Total: 7.0
(only 9 body skills?!) |
9 body skills (and not a single balance)??do you think that she missed anything or thats her routine? |
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plami
Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 233 Location: luxembourg
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 16:38 Post subject: |
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Can you PLEASE do Mincheva's ball routines from the final in Kalamata? I am curious if I see her routine a little bit with.. biased eyes. Thanks in advance A LOT!
Here is the links, so you don't need to search for it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r2rlZgpSa8 - Mincheva ball |
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Invisible Hedgehog
Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 1718 Location: Ukraine, Kyiv
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 17:57 Post subject: |
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Mincheva D1
1, walkover + 360 rotation = 0.90 (OK)
2. 360 + 360 pivot 0.30 + 0.30 + 0.10 = 0.70 (OK)
3. flexibility walkover to ring + tourlent 0.50 + 0.20 = 0.70 (0.00 no clear tourlan for 180 degrees)
4. jete 0.50 (OK)
5. leap 0.80 (OK)
6. no idea...if it is a pivot, it is 0, if it is a flexibility it is 0.80
7. flex 0.90 (OK)
8. balance 0.80 (OK)
9. leap 0.60 (OK)
10. leap 0.60 (OK)
11. pivot 0.90 (no, interruption between)
12. flex 0.70 (OK)
So it is either 6.50 or 7.30. I would tend to 7.30 though. Hope she wrote that element as flexibility. _________________ Ridentem dicere verum quid vetat
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dalit
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Posted: Tue, 6-Apr-2010 18:27 Post subject: |
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Thanks for the analyses of Kaneava and Kondakova.
Looks interesting...i need time to learn it... |
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