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Erik
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Europe
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Posted: Tue, 15-Jul-2014 22:51 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, hereby the case is still not closed. The two remaining coaches hardly speak a word of German. Is that normal for people with this difficult task ? Personally, I do not think this is a good starting situation. Must all gymnasts be "Russianised" to be coached by a Russian coach or should the Russian coach make an effort to speak the language of the children under her/his responsibility. The is still a long way to go, is it not ?... Is there anybody that can tell me which gymnastics federation is offering a job as head coach to a person without a master or bachelor diploma, not in possession of a pedagogic qualification and showing no significant knowledge of the language the gymnasts are speaking ? How would you like to have your daughter spend 30 or more weekly hours of her young life in such an environment or do we not care as long as it happens to the others ?! Katja Luschik had the courage to speak out loud. How about the others ? _________________ Photo made by my friend Barny Thierolf |
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maksymehappy
Joined: 02 Apr 2013 Posts: 504
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Posted: Thu, 17-Jul-2014 0:20 Post subject: |
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Erik wrote: | Must all gymnasts be "Russianised" to be coached by a Russian coach or should the Russian coach make an effort to speak the language of the children under her/his responsibility. The is still a long way to go, is it not ?... Is there anybody that can tell me which gymnastics federation is offering a job as head coach to a person without a master or bachelor diploma, not in possession of a pedagogic qualification and showing no significant knowledge of the language the gymnasts are speaking ? How would you like to have your daughter spend 30 or more weekly hours of her young life in such an environment or do we not care as long as it happens to the others ?! Katja Luschik had the courage to speak out loud. |
You have recruited a German love of market-control certification into part of an anti-Russian crusade. It is to be expected that those who lose out will tell stories. There is no case "still not closed" if accusations are unsupported by the other named parties.
Getting tough and using what outsiders may casually call "abuse" is commonplace with these regimes. We've all read such stories time and time again.
If the German federation and gymnasts prefer trainers who will be tough with them and have some secret sauce, then perhaps you too could respect their decision without trying to stir the pot. |
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Erik
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 179 Location: Europe
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Posted: Fri, 18-Jul-2014 11:31 Post subject: |
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"If the German federation and gymnasts prefer trainers who will be tough with them and have some secret sauce, then perhaps you too could respect their decision without trying to stir the pot."
I have nothing against tough coaches. I have seen quite a lot of them in my life and in different gymnastics disciplines.
But I do have something against coaches without qualifications, who do not speak the language of the gymnasts and treat them like cattle.
I do not even want to know what this secret sauce is. Maybe you should ask the Swiss junior group what kind of sauce these coaches are using.
I do not care if the German federation prefer this kind of coaches, even if I think that already first changes are noticeable there. I fundamentally do not agree with giving such responsibilities to people who do not even speak or want to speak German.
I can only hope that you do not have a daughter who is undergoing the same regime as the ones complaining. Believe me Katja Luschik is not the only one. _________________ Photo made by my friend Barny Thierolf |
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Germania
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu, 7-Aug-2014 14:20 Post subject: |
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I just saw at the website of the German federation, that the group members at Sofia will be :
Rana Tokmak, Judith Hauser, Anastasja Khmelnytska, Daniela Potapova and:
DARJA SAJFUTDINOVA, who did Individual till May.
I dont think thats a good decision! So no team at WC in Izmir...
Anyone knows what happened to Sara Radman, who I expected to see at Sofia and Izmir? What bout Nicole Mueller and Christina Tschernischew? |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu, 7-Aug-2014 21:37 Post subject: |
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http://www.dtb-online.de/portal/turnen/rhythmische-sportgymnastik/news-archiv/detailansicht/article/rsg-weltcup-in-sofia.html
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RSG-Weltcup in Sofia
03.08.14
Zwei Monate zuvor noch Schauplatz der Turn-Europameisterschaften, wird das bulgarische Sofia am Wochenende (09.-10.08.) zum Treffpunkt der Gymnastik-Elite. Beim RSG-Weltcup wird das DTB-Team sowohl mit Einzel- als auch mit Gruppengymnastinnen antreten.
Ein "neues" Gesicht verstärkt die Gruppe bei diesem Weltcup: Darja Sajfutdinova (TV Wattenscheid), die zu Beginn des Jahres noch in Einzelwettkämpfen gestartet ist, wird in Sofia einen Platz als Gruppengymnastin einnehmen. An der Seite von Rana Tokmak, Anastasja Khmelnytska, Daniela Potapova und Judith Hauser wird sie sich in Bulgarien präsentieren. Den Einzelwettkampf bestreitet Jana Berezko-Marggrander (TSV Schmiden) dieses Mal ohne Laura Jung: Die Gymnastin des TV St. Wendel muss den Weltcup aufgrund von Rückenbeschwerden absagen.
Sowohl die DTB-Gruppe als auch Jana werden versuchen, beim kommenden Weltcup ein Ausrufezeichen im Hinblick auf die nahenden Weltmeisterschaften in Izmir (TUR) vom 21.-28. September zu setzen.
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Darja Sajfutdinova as new face in the German group! _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu, 7-Aug-2014 21:47 Post subject: |
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Germania wrote: | I just saw at the website of the German federation, that the group members at Sofia will be :
Rana Tokmak, Judith Hauser, Anastasja Khmelnytska, Daniela Potapova and:
DARJA SAJFUTDINOVA, who did Individual till May.
I dont think thats a good decision! So no team at WC in Izmir...
Anyone knows what happened to Sara Radman, who I expected to see at Sofia and Izmir? What bout Nicole Mueller and Christina Tschernischew?
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I saw this article too yesterday. Shocking indeed.
Why do you mean "no team at WC in Izmir"?
Sara Radman is not healthy to compete. Read it in some article.
"da Sara Radman aus gesundheitlichen Gründen passen musste."
I also wonder where Nicole Müller is. Maybe injured/ill too?
A shame there is no news on the official Facebook site. They should update it more often
https://www.facebook.com/pages/German-National-Team-Rhythmic-Gymnastics/144153558935505 _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu, 7-Aug-2014 22:20 Post subject: |
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I miss Anastasia Kempf so much.
Darja must have trained for group long before. They just can`t have sent her to World Cup Sofia. She must have learned the routines and you need time for that. The question is: Is this move from Darja to group permanent or did Darja only help out this time as a replacement? _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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Germania
Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat, 9-Aug-2014 14:56 Post subject: |
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With no team I did not mean the group but the team competion. think you need at least 3 gymnasts to have a team result at W.C. with only Jana and Laura there will not be a German team... |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sat, 9-Aug-2014 21:21 Post subject: |
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Ok, but I think Darja will compete in individual at WC. Sara Radman should be healthy then.
Happpy about the performance of the girls today in Sofia!
Clubs score 16.800 and balls/ribbons score 16.600. Total score 33.400
Darja did a good job in my opinion for her first time competing in group.
It helped that the elements in individual are much more difficult than in group.
We will see if Darja stays in group or not. She could be a good addition. _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Sun, 10-Aug-2014 20:25 Post subject: |
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AA 3 balls + 2 ribbons from Sofia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf91ohiVspo _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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Diyana
Joined: 14 Feb 2013 Posts: 792 Location: Montpellier, France
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu, 28-Aug-2014 22:23 Post subject: |
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No, Christina will not be in the main group.
At the moment there are some injuries in the German team.
Christina is just a replacement if our better girls are not healthy to compete.
She is lucky there is a bigger chance because many girls retired or are injured.
Regina Sergeeva retired (too many injuries).
Anastasia Kempf retired (saw no chance for Rio).
Katerina Luschik retired (for obvious reasons and went back to Halle).
All these are better gymnasts than Christina Tschernischew. _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
Joined: 10 Oct 2013 Posts: 630 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu, 28-Aug-2014 22:41 Post subject: |
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http://www.dtb-online.de/portal/turnen/rhythmische-sportgymnastik/news-archiv/detailansicht/article/rsg-worldcup-als-wm-probe.html
Next for the German girls is World Cup Kazan.
New formation of group because apparently there are several injuries.
Group in Kazan is
Judith Hauser (TSV Schmiden)
Daniela Potapova (TSV Spandau 1860)
Rana Tokmak (TV Wattenscheid)
Darja Sajfutdinova (TV Wattenscheid/TV Schmiden)
Julia Stavickaja (Bremen 1860)
What a change!
Darja Sajfutdinova again in group. lol And Julia Stavickaja new.
Why not Nicole Golubjatnikov?
Sara Radman, Anastasija Khmelnytska and Nicole Müller must be injured.
The girls I like the most are injured.
No expectations with this new group at Kazan. Hope the best. _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva
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Escalina RSG.net Moderator
Joined: 06 Mar 2004 Posts: 9963 Location: Germany, Berlin
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Posted: Fri, 29-Aug-2014 11:23 Post subject: |
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Sara is injured and will most likely not come back. _________________ If you can dream it you can do it |
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M.Brzeska-Fan
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Posted: Fri, 29-Aug-2014 22:36 Post subject: |
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Escalina wrote: | Sara is injured and will most likely not come back. |
What is the source for this information? What injury does Sara have?
I hope you are wrong with the 2nd part. We need Sara. And she`s a nice girl too.
And what injuries do Anastasija Khmelnytska and Nicole Müller have?
Do you know why Julia Stavickaja is suddenly in the group?
Why not Nicole Golubjatnikov? And will Darja Sajfutdinova stay in group? _________________ Magdalena Brzeska Alina Maximenko Ganna Rizatdinova Melitina Staniouta Jana Berezko-Marggrander Laura Jung Evgenia Kanaeva |
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