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Brivido



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PostPosted: Thu, 6-Dec-2012 1:18    Post subject: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

I have some questions about some elements of the new code of points ^^
What's the difference between the penché rotation (6. - 0,40) and the front split pivot with trunk at the horizontal (3. - 0,50) ??

And what's the "spiral turn with full body wave" (6. - 0,10) ?

Thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 6-Dec-2012 8:27    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

Brivido wrote:
I have some questions about some elements of the new code of points ^^
What's the difference between the penché rotation (6. - 0,40) and the front split pivot with trunk at the horizontal (3. - 0,50) ??

And what's the "spiral turn with full body wave" (6. - 0,10) ?

Thanks Smile


Penché rotation is what Trofimova does at 0:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1cTkMTd9tg. It is an element that can be done with heel down (or very low releve). One rotation worth 0,40. For each additional rotation you add 0,20: so, for 2 rotations 0,60, for 3 rotations 0,80 etc. The trunk can be lower than horizontal.

The split pivot with trunk at the horizontal is hardly performed. I saw Aliya Garaeva and Gana Rizatdinova tried (or seemed trying, I don't know what they wrote in their D forms). It's an element that must be performed on high releve and with the trunk at the horizontal. It is more difficult; that's why it worth 0,50. And for each additional rotation you double the points; so for two rotations you get 1,00 points.

Spiral turn with full body wave it's a sort of tonneau on low releve. See what this gymnast does at 1:02-1:05, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sn5TV74PLk
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PostPosted: Thu, 6-Dec-2012 17:05    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

Denisa wrote:
Brivido wrote:
I have some questions about some elements of the new code of points ^^
What's the difference between the penché rotation (6. - 0,40) and the front split pivot with trunk at the horizontal (3. - 0,50) ??

And what's the "spiral turn with full body wave" (6. - 0,10) ?

Thanks Smile


Penché rotation is what Trofimova does at 0:17 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1cTkMTd9tg. It is an element that can be done with heel down (or very low releve). One rotation worth 0,40. For each additional rotation you add 0,20: so, for 2 rotations 0,60, for 3 rotations 0,80 etc. The trunk can be lower than horizontal.

The split pivot with trunk at the horizontal is hardly performed. I saw Aliya Garaeva and Gana Rizatdinova tried (or seemed trying, I don't know what they wrote in their D forms). It's an element that must be performed on high releve and with the trunk at the horizontal. It is more difficult; that's why it worth 0,50. And for each additional rotation you double the points; so for two rotations you get 1,00 points.

Spiral turn with full body wave it's a sort of tonneau on low releve. See what this gymnast does at 1:02-1:05, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sn5TV74PLk


Aw thanks you! that's nice.. I understand now Wink
And I wanted to know.. Is that possible to do the backsplit pivot without help??? o.o (3. - 0,40) and the front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards (3. - 0,50)? Shocked thanks
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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Dec-2012 7:59    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

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And I wanted to know.. Is that possible to do the backsplit pivot without help??? o.o (3. - 0,40) and the front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards (3. - 0,50)? Shocked thanks


Backsplit pivot without help used to be done by Lyasan Utiasheva: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-emOMFNmM (1:37) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vZWzpPTKB4 (1:25). But since her I don't think I saw another gymnast performing it.

Front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards - I didn't see any gymnast doing it. If they put it in the Code, it must be possible, but way too difficult to perform.
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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Dec-2012 10:16    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

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Front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards - I didn't see any gymnast doing it. If they put it in the Code, it must be possible, but way too difficult to perform.


What on earth is this? Can anyone draw it?
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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Dec-2012 13:46    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

Denisa wrote:
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And I wanted to know.. Is that possible to do the backsplit pivot without help??? o.o (3. - 0,40) and the front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards (3. - 0,50)? Shocked thanks


Backsplit pivot without help used to be done by Lyasan Utiasheva: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-emOMFNmM (1:37) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vZWzpPTKB4 (1:25). But since her I don't think I saw another gymnast performing it.

Front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards - I didn't see any gymnast doing it. If they put it in the Code, it must be possible, but way too difficult to perform.


Thanks, Utiasheva's one is not enough in split I think...

Yeah I seems so difficult, and it's strange because it wasn't in the former CoP.

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PostPosted: Fri, 7-Dec-2012 15:29    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

Is that even possible of execute? It is really difficult! Shocked
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PostPosted: Sun, 9-Dec-2012 19:59    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

Brivido wrote:
Denisa wrote:
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And I wanted to know.. Is that possible to do the backsplit pivot without help??? o.o (3. - 0,40) and the front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards (3. - 0,50)? :shock: thanks


Backsplit pivot without help used to be done by Lyasan Utiasheva: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y-emOMFNmM (1:37) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vZWzpPTKB4 (1:25). But since her I don't think I saw another gymnast performing it.

Front split pivot trunk bent at the horinzontal backwards - I didn't see any gymnast doing it. If they put it in the Code, it must be possible, but way too difficult to perform.


Thanks, Utiasheva's one is not enough in split I think...

Yeah I seems so difficult, and it's strange because it wasn't in the former CoP.



Hi, I found this as a sample of that element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQU5Qapv_yc
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PostPosted: Mon, 10-Dec-2012 8:02    Post subject: Re: Questions about some elements Reply with quote

jaanku wrote:

Hi, I found this as a sample of that element.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQU5Qapv_yc


I think you saw a balance and there are many gymnasts doing it. We were talking here about the pivot.
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PostPosted: Tue, 18-Dec-2012 13:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

And here I found a kind of sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuRTcdofHY - 1:32.
Klaudia Wittmann does something like it, but it is not a full rotation.
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PostPosted: Wed, 19-Dec-2012 6:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denisa wrote:
And here I found a kind of sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuRTcdofHY - 1:32.
Klaudia Wittmann does something like it, but it is not a full rotation.


She is attempting a rotation in back flexion, except her body is nowhere near the required position.
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PostPosted: Wed, 19-Dec-2012 20:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

Denisa wrote:
And here I found a kind of sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuRTcdofHY - 1:32.
Klaudia Wittmann does something like it, but it is not a full rotation.


thanks, but to me it is rather a backscale that lacks of back flexibility :/

I have another question ^^, what's the difference between a front illusion ans a side illusion?
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PostPosted: Fri, 21-Dec-2012 10:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front illusion is forward, used also as rotation in risks.. Instead side illusion is backward with the trunk at the horizontal! Wink
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PostPosted: Fri, 21-Dec-2012 19:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a video of a gymnast performing it? I don't think I have ever seen it!
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PostPosted: Sat, 22-Dec-2012 10:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rodriguez is usual to do them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNJDdylLAQ8 (at 1.35)
Also Zhukova, Tchachina, Mitrosz and more...
Instead is more uncommon to see backward illusion with trunk bent... I can't remember any of the gymnasts I saw doing them...
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